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Well, seems as though I am not getting back on Ravelry.  I never once flagged a post so that can’t cause a disruption.  I rarely left my few groups to troll groups I had no business in because I didn’t feel the need to correct or voice an opinion when I wasn’t even a member.  Sure, I followed links but not only from Bunkerboard.  I doubt that caused any kind of disturbance.  I find it interesting that Casey is making available now some of the features we’d been asking for during the election. Blah blah blah, yes he appears to be busy but I personally think that his project priorities are out of order.  The ability to ignore a member should have been apart of one of the first things coded.

Anyway- To show that I did nothing wrong (except apparently to demand this so called evidence- which shouldn’t be a problem if he had any evidence begin with) I will be posting the back and forth between Casey and myself prior to the great ban.  I also will include post ban correspondence with Craig-sey.  I hope that it will open the eyes of some people but even if it doesn’t – well that is just too bad.

This post will be long and not only will I post emails, I will post my final thoughts about Ravelry and then that will be the last I say on the subject.


26 Febuary- I emailed Casey for the first time ever.  I had an issue where I thought that he was being unprofessional in the handling of a situation.  The back and forth was courteous on both ends.

I was going to cut and paste but that required too much reformatting- so I decided to screen cap it.  There are over 20 emails to get through just about the banning and about 6-9 just correspondence with Casey.  I left the date and time so that you can all see the progression and what I have highlighted are some interesting statements that I feel should be looked at more closely- especially when Casey not only encourages flagging posts but that he knew it wasn’t the Bunker that was causing the problems but were on the receiving end of straight out harassment.

Ravelry claims that all is open on the site and nothing is to be behind closed doors.  So because I was denied the ability to know what it is I did wrong I feel as though I must put forth all correspondence (which isn’t  a lot for being a contributing member for a year and a half) so that others can see that I did nothing to warrant the actions taken- transparency is my aim. So here we go:

Casey Email

Casey Email

Casey Email

Casey Email

Casey Email

Casey Email

Casey Email

The Banning Correspondence:

Ban

Ban

Ban

Ban

Ban

null

Ban

Ban

Ban

ban

ban

ban

ban

ban

ban

ban

ban

ban

ban

ban

ban

ban

ban

Thats the end of the correspondence.  Now, I am ok with not being on Ravelry.  It is probably a good thing since now I can focus on my craft as well as other things that will reward my input far more than the kind of website  Ravelry is under the surface.  I wasn’t angry- I just wanted to know what it was that I supposedly did. The question was ignored, glossed over and overlooked.  I didn’t appreciate that a so called lawyer would send snippy replies and never provided his quaifications.  I have NEVER known a lawyer (or any other profession that requires so much schooling) to be shy about sharing qualifications, much less out right refuse to give them.  To each his own- in this case Casey and Co with Ravelry.

If you made it this far I commend you!  I know it was long and you should totally go get yourself a treat as a reward!

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Written by Moi

March 23, 2009 at 7:55 pm

19 Responses

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  1. I admire your patience with those two.

    Mead

    March 23, 2009 at 8:27 pm

  2. I think your “final” words is about as long as mine.

    Their lack of transparency might be okay for those still on there, but when/if they are banned, will they be quite so content with it?

    I say let them have their cat sand box.

    SimplyMe

    March 23, 2009 at 8:30 pm

  3. Wow! I never thought my comments about Rav’s school-yarn bullies and punishing the abusees would generate so much room on a blog!

    Also interesting that they are finally publically refusing to back up their claims. Doesn’t quite look kosher, does it? It that how our legal system works these days?

    And Casey needs to stop using his “attorney’s” email. I suspect he regrets that revealing tidbit.

    Such good stuff here. It makes me smile.

    Dannette/Ragdollcatz

    Dannette

    March 23, 2009 at 8:51 pm

  4. Brava! Pandora’s box is open. The truth in their own words is out: play by the rules, but get ‘Bunkered’ anyway, because the rules are applied however and whenever they choose. Unless, of course, you’ve donated more than $10 for them to piss away on carbon credits rather than upgrading hardware and software. And the next time a current Ravelry member get the “Oh Crappers” message, they can thank Casey and his carbon credits.

    Sharon

    March 23, 2009 at 9:29 pm

  5. You are awesome. Thanks for sharing. I haven’t heard a peep since the 19th of March and I don’t think I will hear anything from them. They have discovered cyber bullying and now no one can stop them.

    sonia

    March 23, 2009 at 10:18 pm

  6. Thank you for posting this conversation entirely. I especially like the message with red highlighting. It is very revealing. Thank you.

    Vereteno

    March 23, 2009 at 10:44 pm

  7. Brava for posting this!! The one email with the red? A classic “Oh, shit!” moment. Thanks for outing them.

    Graniterose

    March 23, 2009 at 11:50 pm

  8. Thank you for an edifying post. I’m happy that you have a forum in which to tell your side of the story.

    TwoTerriers

    March 24, 2009 at 12:35 am

  9. LOL – Great post. The truth can only be wished away at this point. All you need now is a screen cap of Casey’s reply to the Bunker mods saying, “Yeah, I understand. We did throw you under the bus.” I have that btw if you’re interested. Just saying.

    Tammy

    March 24, 2009 at 2:17 am

  10. Great post — very illuminating. One can only hope that people who’ve believed the worst without us getting a “fair hearing” will be able to fling of their blinders and see the truth for what it is …. well, one can hope.

    Tammy, that one’s classic. You need to get it “out there” somewhere. 🙂

    MizDi

    March 24, 2009 at 4:39 am

  11. Wow! What a clear picture of what Ravelry is really about. This is what I call real transparancy!
    OT~ I had asked about a month ago to remove my acct. b/c of their censorship and Casey wrote back, “It wasn’t cesorship”. Yeah. Right. Needless to say, I was later removed with the rest of the Bunker.
    Just wipe the dust of Ravelry off your feet, and focus on the good stuff in your life (like all your knitting and such).

    ~BunkerBabe “Arknitter”~

    Lori

    March 24, 2009 at 2:25 pm

  12. Thank you for that great chronicle of events. I got all the same form letters… Never got a word of explaination of what they think I did wrong. Of course,there is no evidence, or they’d be delighted to produce it. I also asked Craig for his firm’s name and address and got nada. He’s a poser. Probably a drinking buddy of Casey’s…

    Athough I got the same form letter stating that all my content was removed, it isn’t. My pattern images are still there, with broken links when people try to click on them. How stupid is that?

    Bonnie E

    March 24, 2009 at 2:32 pm

  13. While it seems you have covered all the bases by posting the correspondence between yourself, Casey and the attorney, I’m not sure why my name came up in all of this. I don’t know the specifics about what sort of dealings zoomama1 has had with those in charge at Ravelry. I do know she has been pretty candid about how she was reprimanded in the past about poking around in other groups and whatnot; however, I’ve had no such dealings with Casey, ever, in over a year I’ve been a member there. I’ve never been in trouble at Ravelry, so perhaps you’re confusing me with someone else.

    It could very well be that at the time I was thinking about someone else. Thank You for your comment and for reading!

    KatAutumn

    March 24, 2009 at 9:27 pm

  14. Very interesting… the highlighted portions really put things in perspective!

    Amy

    March 25, 2009 at 1:04 am

  15. Typical conservative. You bold the parts that you want people to read and manage to ignore the rest of them.

    In your first highlighted picture, you seem to miss highlighting the part that mentions that things went BOTH WAYS. Of course you want to ignore that, right? You don’t want people to understand that you guys were not just innocent little victims, right?

    The victim mentality that you have in this, and your self-important entitlement comes through very strongly in your dealings with the lawyer. He does not need to respond to your questions at all, yet he had the grace to give you answers at all. You should be grateful for that, among other things.

    Though it is curious, of course, that he would mistakenly call the website is.

    I will let your comment stand because- like the other rude ones- it proves my point.

    TUK

    March 25, 2009 at 9:12 pm

  16. I have met both Casey and Craig and can assure you that they are two different people. Craig really is an attorney, and he really does work for Ravelry. If you google “Craig Stelmach” and “Massachusetts”, many links come up that mention him as a lawyer in Massachusetts. If you don’t feel that is enough proof that Craig exists and is not simply Casey posing as a lawyer, you could probably call the Massachusetts State Bar Association and verify. Not everything is a big conspiracy…

    -Beth

    I have no doubt that they are two different people. I can google as well. I never said they were the same. I don’t believe that “everything is a conspiracy”- I just know that the dealings were shady especially as far as I am concerned. Not everything Casey says about what happens is the truth. Thank you for leaving your comment

    Beth

    March 30, 2009 at 12:49 am

  17. TUK:

    “The victim mentality that you have in this, and your self-important entitlement comes through very strongly in your dealings with the lawyer.
    1. We are the victims, ergo the mentality (it’s a hand-in-hand thing). Self-important entitlement? Absolutely! Usually when one is accused, one deserves to see the proof of the “crime.” Not ONE shred of evidence has been given to anyone who has asked. Is that how your new Amerika works? Pretty handy when the fickle finger of fate isn’t pointing at you, isn’t it? Enjoy it while it lasts.

    “He does not need to respond to your questions at all, yet he had the grace to give you answers at all. You should be grateful for that, among other things.”

    2. When someone refers people to their attorney, isn’t it the attorney’s JOB to respond? It’s what he’s hired to do! I don’t get where you believe that hired guns can simply ignore the accused, when they’ve been hired to HANDLE the accused. See the oxymoron there?

    And grateful for what? Being ignored? Being refused basic information? Being sloughed off? And, pray tell, what else should we be thankful for “among other things,” other than being away you and your kind?

    Dannette

    March 30, 2009 at 8:18 pm

  18. Great post! Puts it ALL out there for those who aren’t so blind they refuse to see. As for the rest, their true colors are showing . . . AGAIN!

    Warrior Knitter

    April 1, 2009 at 2:42 am

  19. Thanks for providing your sie of the story. There is more to this than meets the eye, and Casey & Co. are sure acting suspiciously. And, yes, Casey does not always deal in truth and neither does Jess.

    It is interesting that the Lefty trolls found their way here. If they were not involved, then why are they following this story on every blog on the internet, and why are they leaving posts?

    In my opinion, Casey has lost control of Ravelry. After this incident, I surfed some non-knitting groups and found the filth and vulgarity quite prominent. There are even groups that show images that could be called soft porn. I sure got an education!

    Casey and Jess are politically ultra Left wing and will cater to like-minded Lefty groups. These are the people who will donate money to his cause. He parties and drinks with them. The Bunker members did not fit into the Casey/Jess political mold and they were waiting for any incident to rid Ravelry of the Bunker group.

    By the way, Zoomama1 is quite the piece of work. I disagreed with a comment of hers on Ravelry. She sent me a very vulgar and threatening e-mail, which I immediately forwarded on to Casey.

    Anyway, thanks again for posting this. Other knitters need to know exactly what is happening on a supposedly “knitting only” community.

    Happy knitting!

    Keesha

    April 2, 2009 at 11:54 pm


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